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09:20:17 AM Start
09:21:07 AM State of Alaska Employee Health Plans
10:53:29 AM Universal Space Standards
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Informational Meeting on Public Union Health
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AGENDA:
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Space Standards Presentation
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Anchorage, Alaska
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
            SENATE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
          SENATE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                        
                       Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                        
                        October 17, 2013                                                                                        
                           9:20 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATE STATE AFFAIRS                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Fred Dyson, Chair                                                                                                      
 Senator Cathy Giessel, Vice Chair                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATE LABOR AND COMMERCE                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Mike Dunleavy, Chair                                                                                                   
 Senator Donald Olson                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATE STATE AFFAIRS                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Senator John Coghill                                                                                                           
 Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                           
 Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATE LABOR AND COMMERCE                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Peter Micciche, Vice Chair                                                                                             
 Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                           
 Senator Johnny Ellis                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Presentation: State of Alaska Employee Health Plans                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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Presentation: Universal Space Standards                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MIKE BARNHILL, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                              
Department of Administration (DOA)                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Delivered a presentation on  State of Alaska                                                             
Employee Health Plans.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS THAYER, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                              
Department of Administration (DOA)                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT: Delivered  an  overview  of universal  space                                                             
standards (USS).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
9:20:17 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRED  DYSON called  the joint meeting  of the  Senate State                                                             
Affairs  Standing Committee  and  the Senate  Labor and  Commerce                                                               
Standing Committee to  order at 9:20 a.m. Present at  the call to                                                               
order were Senators Dunleavy, Giessel, Olson, and Dyson.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^State of Alaska Employee Health Plans                                                                                      
             State of Alaska Employee Health Plans                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:21:07 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON announced the first  order of business to come before                                                               
the committees is a presentation  on the State of Alaska employee                                                               
health plans. He asked Ms. Keller to introduce herself.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
VALETTE   KELLER,  Program   Coordinator*  Division   of  General                                                               
Services*   Department   of  Administration   (DOA),   introduced                                                               
herself.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:21:21 AM                                                                                                                    
MIKE BARNHILL, Deputy  Commissioner, Department of Administration                                                               
(DOA), delivered a presentation  on active employee health plans.                                                               
He stated  that DOA is  currently transitioning  from HealthSmart                                                               
to  AETNA as  the third-party  administrator of  health insurance                                                               
claims for both  active and retired employees. This  will go into                                                               
full  effect  on January  1,  2014.  He discussed  the  statutory                                                               
requirement and  skyrocketing cost of providing  health care, and                                                               
expressed  concern   that  the  trajectory  of   cost  growth  is                                                               
unsustainable.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL explained  that the State of  Alaska delivers health                                                               
care  to 16,500-17,000  active  fulltime  employees through  five                                                               
different plans. He  reported that the AlaskaCare  Health Plan is                                                               
administered  by the  Department of  Administration; it  delivers                                                               
health   care  to   approximately  6,600   employees  and   their                                                               
dependents for  a total covered  life population of  about 17,000                                                               
people.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He reviewed the following table:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AlaskaCare Health Plan             Union Health Plans                                                                    
Employees: 6,600                 Employees: 9,900                                                                           
Exempt/PX (Court and Leg) 2,511  General Gov't (ASEA)      7,760                                                              
Supervisory               2,282  Labor, Trades & Crafts    1,558                                                              
Correctional Officers       881  Public Safety (PSEA)        497                                                              
Inland Boatmen's Union      561  Masters, Mates & Pilots      93                                                              
Confidential Employees      180                                                                                               
Marine Engineer              92                                                                                               
AVTEC                        36                                                                                               
Mr. Edgecumbe Teachers       28                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:27:10 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON asked if the  state contributions to the union health                                                               
plans are in addition to dues.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL answered yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON inquired about the state contribution.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL explained  that the  State of  Alaska negotiates  a                                                               
calculation for  computing how much  it will contribute  for each                                                               
employee  in all  the plans.  Historically,  the calculation  has                                                               
been tied to  the cost of the premium for  the AlaskaCare economy                                                               
plan  and  the  preventive  dental  plan.  That  combined  amount                                                               
generally is the state's monthly  contribution for every employee                                                               
in  the  Union  Health  Plans,   but  it  has  been  affected  by                                                               
collective   bargaining.  For   example,   the  ASEA   collective                                                               
bargaining agreement  at one time added  the cost of a  leave day                                                               
to  the calculation,  but DOA  negotiated  that out  in the  last                                                               
negotiating cycle.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The  Union  Health  Plans deliver  care  to  approximately  9,900                                                               
employees and their dependents for  a total covered population of                                                               
about 30,000.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:29:03 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. BARNHILL said  the AlaskaCare Plan Design  offers three tiers                                                               
of health  insurance: economy, standard,  and premium.  Each tier                                                               
has a  different cost  structure; this  refers to  the deductible                                                               
and  the maximum  out  of pocket  that an  employee  has to  pay.                                                               
Generally, the higher  the deductible the lower  the premium will                                                               
be. Coinsurance  is the amount  the health  plan will pay  for an                                                               
allowable cost once the deductible  is satisfied. He reviewed the                                                               
following table:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Active Plan                                                                                                                   
                       Economy         Standard       Premium                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Deductible             $500     person $300   person $300 person                                                                
                       $1,000 family   $600 family    $600 family                                                             
Coinsurance            70%             80%            90%                                                                     
Out of Pocket Max/Year                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
After Deductible                                                                                                                
                       $2,000/person  $1,200/person $350/person                                                               
Premium/Mo             $1,335          $1,482         $2,028                                                                  
Out of Pocket Max      $0              $147           $693                                                                    
Lifetime Maximum       Unlimited                                                                                              
Preventive Care        Covered 100% with in-network providers                                                                 
Dependents             Covered up to age 26                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL  said that  the  current  monthly premium  for  the                                                               
Economy  Plan is  $1,335.  That  figure is  used  to compute  the                                                               
benefit  credit that's  contributed for  medical coverage  to all                                                               
State of Alaska employees. When  the benefit credit is applied to                                                               
the premium, zero  is deducted from the pay check  of an employee                                                               
who  elected the  economy plan.  Other features  of the  plan are                                                               
unlimited lifetime  maximum, preventive  care that is  covered at                                                               
100  percent, and  coverage for  dependents to  age 26.  The last                                                               
two,  relatively  new, features  comply  with  provisions of  The                                                               
Affordable Care  Act. Preventive Care isn't  required immediately                                                               
but DOA elected to do so.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  explained that  AlaskaCare is  a grandfather  plan under  the                                                               
Affordable Care Act  and relatively little change can  be made to                                                               
its structure  without risk  of losing  that status.  Because all                                                               
plans will eventually become non-grandfather  plans, DOA opted to                                                               
step   towards  that   incrementally   by  immediately   covering                                                               
preventive.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL described  the Economy Plan as  fairly rich compared                                                               
to similar plans nationally, and  warned that the $500 deductible                                                               
is becoming rare.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:33:49 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BARNHILL  reviewed  the  Standard  and  Premium  plans.  The                                                               
deductibles were  raised to  $300 on  July 1,  but won't  go into                                                               
full effect until January 1,  2014 when the plans transition from                                                               
a  fiscal year  to  a calendar  year. The  Standard  Plan has  80                                                               
percent  coinsurance, and  the  annual  out-of-pocket maximum  is                                                               
$1,200  per  person after  the  deductible  is met.  The  monthly                                                               
premium is $1,482, and when  the $1,335 benefit credit is applied                                                               
the  monthly out  of pocket  expense  to the  employee $147.  The                                                               
Lifetime  Maximum, Preventive  Care, and  Dependent coverage  are                                                               
the same as for the Economy Plan.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He cautioned  that this is  a highly superficial snapshot  of the                                                               
AlaskaCare Plan that shows just  some of its elements. He offered                                                               
to provide a complete comparison  if any member was interested in                                                               
the full details.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.   BARNHILL  reviewed   the  AlaskaCare   Premium  Plan.   The                                                               
coinsurance is  90 percent, the  annual out-of-pocket  maximum is                                                               
$350 per person after the  deductible is met, the monthly premium                                                               
is $2,028, and the monthly  out-of pocket expense to the employee                                                               
is  $693.  He  highlighted  that  these  plans,  the  Premium  in                                                               
particular, are becoming  extinct in both the  public and private                                                               
sphere  as employers  shift costs  to employees.  He opined  that                                                               
Alaska  is behind  that  curve, because  it's  been blessed  with                                                               
bountiful oil revenues.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL asked about in-network providers versus PPOs.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL explained  that  in  the Lower  48  there are  more                                                               
providers, more  competition, and more willingness  to enter into                                                               
PPO agreements. In  Alaska there are fewer  providers and they're                                                               
more  resistant to  entering into  PPO agreements,  so there  has                                                               
been less  opportunity historically in  Alaska to engage  in that                                                               
fundamental   agreement   to   send  volume   in   exchange   for                                                               
preferential pricing.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:40:33 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR OLSON  asked if  the state  pays travel  costs associated                                                               
with out-of-state medical care.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL replied  the AlaskaCare  Plan pays  for travel  for                                                               
certain surgical procedures, but not for diagnostic procedures.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked for the justification.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL  explained  that  the  rationale  is  availability.                                                               
Historically,  some  surgical   procedures  aren't  available  in                                                               
Alaska,  but most  diagnostic procedures  are performed  here. He                                                               
acknowledged   the  concern   that  some   diagnostic  procedures                                                               
performed  in-state cost  multiples of  the cost  to perform  the                                                               
same procedure out-of-state.  He cited the cost  of a colonoscopy                                                               
as an example.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:42:49 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR OLSON asked if DOA  is projecting an increase or decrease                                                               
in travel costs  in five years for people  going out-of-state for                                                               
less expensive procedures.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL predicted  that there would be  a marginal increase.                                                               
He added  that the  hope is  that the  Alaska market  will become                                                               
more competitive over  time, so that the prices  in Anchorage and                                                               
Seattle become roughly comparable.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked him to discuss medevac costs.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL explained  that emergency care is  covered under the                                                               
provisions of  all State of  Alaska employee policies.  The costs                                                               
are  extraordinarily  high  and  can  be  in  the  high  tens  of                                                               
thousands of dollars.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked how coinsurance works.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DARNHILL  explained that coinsurance  is the amount  the plan                                                               
will pay,  after the  deductible is  satisfied, on  the allowable                                                               
cost of the care provided. For  example, if the coinsurance is 80                                                               
percent  and   $1,000  in  allowable   cost  remains   after  the                                                               
deductible  is satisfied,  the plan  pays $800  and the  employee                                                               
pays  $200. Once  the employee  reaches the  annual out-of-pocket                                                               
maximum for the year, the plan  pays any remaining costs for that                                                               
plan year.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON commented  that he  always thought  that coinsurance                                                               
meant that a person had double coverage.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL clarified  that is  coordination  of insurance  and                                                               
there  are provisions  for  determining  which insurance  company                                                               
pays for what.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  assumed that coordination  of insurance  would apply                                                               
to  people covered  under VA  health care  and the  Indian Health                                                               
Service.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL  agreed that  a variety of  plans are  available and                                                               
coordination provisions cover all of that.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked which insurance  would be prime if  someone is                                                               
covered under three federal plans.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL said  he didn't know, but his  understanding is that                                                               
the Indian Health Service would be the payer of last resort.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:47:13 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNLEAVY asked  if providers prefer people  to travel out                                                               
of state for a colonoscopy.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL answered no, the  AlaskaCare Plan doesn't cover that                                                               
and  he didn't  recall the  specifics  of the  ASEA Health  Trust                                                               
Plan.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DUNLEAVY  said  he  asked because  there  are  costs  in                                                               
addition to the flight.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL stated  that the  language in  the AlaskaCare  Plan                                                               
says the  coverage for  the surgical  procedure, the  flights and                                                               
per  diem are  to  be equal  to  or  less than  the  cost of  the                                                               
procedure  within Alaska.  He said  it's difficult  to administer                                                               
because it's  difficult to know in  advance what the cost  of the                                                               
procedure will be.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:48:51 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BARNHILL reviewed  the following  ASEA  Health Trust  Plans,                                                               
which cover about 8,000 State of Alaska employees:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Active Plan                                                                                                                   
            Plan A        Plan B          Plan C     Plan D                                                                     
            E'ee + Family E'ee Only       Supplemental Low Option                                                             
Deductible  $250/person   $250/person     None       $5,000/person                                                              
            $500 family                              $10,000/family                                                           
Coinsurance 80%           80%             20%        100%                                                                       
            60% non-PPO   60% non-PPO                80% non-PPO                                                              
                                                                                                                              
Out of Pocket $1,000/person $1,000/person                                                                                       
Max/Year    after deduct  after deductible           None                                                                     
            $2,000 non-PPO $2,000 non-PPO None                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
Premium/Mo  $1,530        $1,425          $1,360     $1,365                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
E'ee Out of                                                                                                                     
Pocket/Mo   $195          $90             $25        $30                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
Lifetime Max Unlimited    Unlimited       $10,000/year Unlimited                                                              
Preventive  Covered  at  100% with  no  deductible at  in-network                                                               
Care        providers and 80% non-PPO                                                                                         
Dependents Covered up to age 26                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Plan  A  is  a  family  coverage plan  that  is  similar  to  the                                                               
AlaskaCare  Standard  Plan.  The deductible  is  $250/person  and                                                               
$500/family,  and   the  coinsurance  is  80   percent  for  PPOs                                                               
(preferred provider  organizations) and 60 percent  for non-PPOs.                                                               
He  explained  that  when  the  state  enters  into  a  preferred                                                               
provider organizational  agreement with a provider,  it agrees to                                                               
deliver  volume in  exchange for  a discount.  The state  secures                                                               
volume  by telling  employees  that they  will  be reimbursed  80                                                               
percent if  they stay in-network and  only 60 percent if  they go                                                               
out-of-network.  AlaskaCare has  that but  only for  hospitals in                                                               
Anchorage. The employee  monthly out of pocket  deduction is $195                                                               
versus the  AlaskaCare Standard Plan  out of pocket  deduction of                                                               
$147.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Plan  B  offers  coverage  for employees  only,  and  that  isn't                                                               
available  in AlaskaCare.  He  said the  existence  of this  plan                                                               
creates  some  hiccups  in  personnel  administration.  A  single                                                               
employee  who  is  in  the  general  governmental  unit  has  $90                                                               
deducted  from  their  paycheck.  When they  are  promoted  to  a                                                               
supervisory  position they  move  into a  supervisory unit  under                                                               
AlaskaCare. The AlaskaCare  Standard Plan is the  most similar to                                                               
Plan  B but  an employee  who selects  that plan  will see  their                                                               
monthly  deduction  increase  from  $90 to  $147.  That  lack  of                                                               
alignment between the plans affects  employees' willingness to be                                                               
promoted from the GGU to the supervisory unit.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He noted that  the ASEA Health Trust doesn't  publish the monthly                                                               
premiums. He calculated these estimates  by adding the $90 out of                                                               
pocket deduction and the $1,335  benefit credit that the State of                                                               
Alaska pays for each ASEA Health Trust employee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL said there is  some concern about the sustainability                                                               
of Plan  B going forward  because it may  be taxed as  a Cadillac                                                               
plan under the Affordable Care  Act. The definition of a Cadillac                                                               
plan is one where the premiums  in 2018 cost in excess of $10,200                                                               
for a  self-only plan.  $1,425 times  12 exceeds  that threshold.                                                               
The Cadillac  tax is 40  percent of  the excess over  the $10,200                                                               
and  it's billed  to the  employer, so  all plans  are trying  to                                                               
avoid it.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Plan C  is a  supplemental plan  that is  designed for  those who                                                               
have  other  insurance  coverage.  It only  provides  20  percent                                                               
coinsurance and is capped at $10,000 per year.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Plan  D  is  called  a  high deductible  health  plan,  with  one                                                               
important   exception.  The   deductible  is   $5,000/person  and                                                               
$10,000/family with 100 percent coverage thereafter.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked  if Plan D is associated with  a health savings                                                               
account.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL said no, and  that's why relatively few people elect                                                               
Plan D.  He explained that  high deductible health  plans started                                                               
when employers said they couldn't  sustain health insurance costs                                                               
that were increasing  at 7-9 percent a year. The  solution was to                                                               
shift  the cost  to the  employee, which  creates moral  problems                                                               
with employees. Over time, these  high deductible plans have been                                                               
married  with   health  savings   accounts  where   the  employer                                                               
contributes some amount up front  into a savings account that the                                                               
employee can  use to  defray the  costs that  are subject  to the                                                               
deductible.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He highlighted that  public plans began to  adopt high deductible                                                               
health  plans, and  they were  rebranded  Consumer Driven  Health                                                               
Plans (CDHPs). The  employer contributes about 50  percent of the                                                               
deductible.  He  noted   that  the  State  of   Indiana  has  had                                                               
considerable success with this.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON noted that they're pretax dollars.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL  said the advantage  of these accounts is  that they                                                               
roll forward,  they're portable, and the  employee can contribute                                                               
a  certain   amount.  Another  phenomenon  with   CDHPS  is  that                                                               
employees become  more engaged in  how much their health  care is                                                               
costing, and that helps control price growth.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:58:11 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DYSON asked  if the  state is  trying to  make information                                                               
about costs and services available to employees online.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL  said yes;  it's a  movement nationally  to increase                                                               
price  transparency.  The  Centers   for  Medicaid  and  Medicare                                                               
Services   (CMS)   recently   disclosed  pricing   at   hospitals                                                               
nationwide, which helps create price competition.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON asked  if  the cost  information  includes what  the                                                               
discount is for those that have volume discounts.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL   replied  he  didn't  know   if  the  commercially                                                               
available tools show the charged cost or the incurred cost.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  said it's ultimately  an important  question because                                                               
the discounts  for volume are  large. He questioned  whether they                                                               
were as high as 30 percent.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL  said the discount  can range  from 6 percent  to 50                                                               
percent, so it is an important question.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked  how the retiree plan compares  to the active                                                               
plans.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:02:48 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. BARNHILL said  the AlaskaCare Retiree Plan  covers all public                                                               
employee retirees.  In addition to  State of Alaska  employees it                                                               
includes the 159 municipal entities  that are members of PERS and                                                               
all 60  Teacher Retirement System  (TRS) school  districts. About                                                               
41,000 retirees and a total  population of 65,000 are covered. It                                                               
is somewhat  different from  the active  plan; the  deductible is                                                               
$150, it  does not cover  dependents to age  26, and it  does not                                                               
cover  preventive care.  There  has been  pushback  on those  two                                                               
omissions but DOA is reluctant  to add coverage without an offset                                                               
to the  cost structure.  This will be  discussed more  fully this                                                               
fall.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He suggested  that a  theme in  the Affordable  Care Act  is that                                                               
individuals  should pay  some  reasonable  amount towards  health                                                               
care, and  Alaska is behind the  curve. When people have  skin in                                                               
the  game, they  pay closer  attention to  health costs  and that                                                               
helps to control prices.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:06:32 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  DYSON asked  if any  state insurance  or bargaining  units                                                               
allow employees to opt out.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL  said not  AlaskaCare; by statute  the state  has to                                                               
provide  health  insurance  to  all   full  time  and  part  time                                                               
employees.  He offered  his  belief that  no  ASEA employees  are                                                               
allowed to completely opt out.  In the past some school districts                                                               
have allowed  employees to opt  out if they can  demonstrate they                                                               
have other coverage.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:08:37 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY referenced  the  benefit  credit illustration  on                                                               
slide 5,  and asked  what incentive the  union health  care plans                                                               
have  to contain  premium costs  outside of  relating the  dollar                                                               
amount of the state benefit credit.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL discussed  slide 5,  which shows  historically what                                                               
has  happened   to  the  benefit   credit.  In  FY01   the  state                                                               
contribution  per employee  per month  was $515  and in  FY14 the                                                               
benefit  credit is  $1,389.  The 7-9  percent  increase that  the                                                               
state  pays   per  year  is   cause  for  concern   because  it's                                                               
unsustainable, he said. He acknowledged  that for the ASEA Health                                                               
Trust Plan  there is no incentive  to restrain the growth  of the                                                               
benefit credit. Their incentive is  to maximize the growth of the                                                               
credit in  order to keep the  plan fully funded and  with healthy                                                               
reserves. Any more  than that would go to  improving benefits and                                                               
reducing deductibles. The state and  the union want all employees                                                               
to  have  high  quality  health  care,  but  how  the  costs  are                                                               
structured creates some perverse  results. That is something that                                                               
needs to be adjusted, he said.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:11:47 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.   BARNHILL  directed   attention  to   slide  9   to  discuss                                                               
utilization of services. The chart  shows that one percent of any                                                               
group of members in a plan  will incur [29.3] percent of the plan                                                               
costs  and five  percent will  incur  50-60 percent  of the  plan                                                               
costs.  He opined  that  this  is the  biggest  issue facing  the                                                               
country  today, and  the Affordable  Care Act  does not  directly                                                               
change this.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
This year  the country will  expend $2.9 trillion in  health care                                                               
costs, and  Alaska residents will spend  $8.4 billion. Nationally                                                               
costs  have  been increasing  4-5  percent  and the  Centers  for                                                               
Medicare  and Medicaid  Services  predict that  cost growth  will                                                               
rise to  6 percent  with the Affordable  Care Act.  He reiterated                                                               
that five percent  of the people in the country  are incurring 50                                                               
percent  of the  costs. That  is  roughly $100,000  per year  per                                                               
claimant in that category.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DUNLEAVY  asked if the  costs associated with  that group                                                               
are behavior driven.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL agreed  that some are behavior driven,  but most are                                                               
not.  Some are  genetic  predispositions and  some  are just  bad                                                               
luck. For example, AlaskaCare currently  has a spike in end stage                                                               
renal disease claims;  one member in the plan  last year incurred                                                               
$2 million in claims.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:15:06 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  BARNHILL reviewed  a  chart  of unit  cost  of services  for                                                               
Washington state  versus Anchorage, and the  percentage that were                                                               
Medicare.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Procedure                WA; %Medicare     Anchorage; %Medicare                                                               
Total Hip Arthroplasty   $5,409; 305.2%    $12,155; 685.9%                                                                    
Fragment Kidney Stone    $2,120; 183.6%    $8,200; 710.1%                                                                     
Sinus Endoscopy/Surgery  $871; 235.4%      $2,620; 708.1%                                                                     
Inject Spine L/S (CD)    $683; 312.4%      $1,260; 576.3%                                                                     
Umbil Hernia Reduce>5yr  $1,229; 232.1%    $3,385; 639.4%                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He directed attention to AlaskaCare goals going forward:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Provide  high-quality health  care at  a reasonable  and fiscally                                                               
sustainable cost.                                                                                                               
   · Contract with high value-add vendor partners.                                                                              
        o On January 1, 2014 AlaskaCare will transition to                                                                      
          its new  health care  partners. AETNA has  a large                                                                    
          Lower 48  discount provider network  that provides                                                                    
          substantially  more  value   that  will  help  the                                                                    
          retiree health plan. ModaHealth  is a large dental                                                                    
          network  that   has  a  substantial   presence  in                                                                    
          Alaska.                                                                                                               
   · Increase member engagement.                                                                                                
        o The State of Indiana provides a model for a consumer-                                                                 
          driven health plan (CDHP).                                                                                            
   · Support evidence-based medicine and promote data-driven                                                                    
     decision making.                                                                                                           
        o A recent study suggests that a large percentage of                                                                    
          health care lacks a rational evidence basis.                                                                          
        o AETNA has a library of evidence-based clinical policy                                                                 
          bulletins for  deciding whether care  is evidence-based                                                               
          or not. National studies show  that some providers will                                                               
          provide care  that is contraindicated.  The goal  is to                                                               
          ensure that AlaskaCare members are  not exposed to that                                                               
          kind of care delivery.                                                                                                
   · Collaborate with providers to transform the Alaska health                                                                  
     care market.                                                                                                               
   · Look for opportunities to scale.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:17:40 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  DYSON commented  on  physician  allegations that  carriers                                                               
sometimes won't  pay for a  prescription or medical care  when it                                                               
might be the best alternative.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL clarified  that he  wasn't  suggesting that  large,                                                               
disruptive changes  would be made  on January 1, but  things like                                                               
better pharmacy management  should be explored. He  noted that in                                                               
the  next five  years there  will be  a large  influx of  new FDA                                                               
approved specialty drugs  that are very expensive,  and the state                                                               
wants to get a handle on those.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:19:59 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR OLSON  asked for an example  of contraindicated treatment                                                               
that actually did harm.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL  offered to  provide  the  national study  that  he                                                               
referenced.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL continued  to discuss  the  AlaskaCare goals  going                                                               
forward.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   · Collaborate with providers to transform the Alaska health                                                                  
     care market.                                                                                                               
        o Improve   access   to    contracting   physicians   and                                                               
          providers.                                                                                                            
        o Improve predictability and performance of contracts.                                                                  
        o Address egregious charges and rates for targeted high                                                                 
          volume procedures.                                                                                                    
        o Identify and engage delivery system partners committed                                                                
          to designing transformative solutions.                                                                                
        o Encourage deliver system investment in integrated care                                                                
          deliver. The patient centered medical  home (PCMH) is a                                                               
          coordinated  care model  as opposed  to silo  care. The                                                               
          PCMH   model   also   has   integrated   pricing.   The                                                               
          accountable  care organization  (ACO)  is another  cost                                                               
          management model that's being explored.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY  referenced  the statement  that  volume  reduces                                                               
costs,  and  asked  if  he  anticipates  that  entities  such  as                                                               
boroughs  and  municipalities  will  want  to  be  part  of  this                                                               
concept.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:23:26 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. BARNHILL replied scale is  extremely important and fragmented                                                               
volume impacts  everything. The AlaskaCare Active  Plan has about                                                               
17,000 covered lives and the  four union health plans have 30,000                                                               
some  covered lives.  Both pay  a  third-party administrator  and                                                               
receive pricing  scales adjusted  to their  volume. He  said he'd                                                               
argue that pricing would be less for 47,000 covered lives.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  noted  that  other  state plans  and  retirement  plans  have                                                               
achieved  economies of  scale by  covering  state, hospital,  and                                                               
school  district  employees.  The  benefits  they're  paying  are                                                               
fractions  of  what Alaska  is  paying.  A recent  Kaiser  Family                                                               
Foundation survey  found that the  lowest cost health  plan under                                                               
the  exchanges is  in Pennsylvania;  for a  27-year-old who  gets                                                               
equivalent to  the AlaskaCare Standard  Plan, the cost  per month                                                               
is $134.  Those plans  are affordable  because there's  scale and                                                               
competition  in  those markets.  Alaska  doesn't  have scale  and                                                               
competition; the  State of Alaska  is paying a benefit  credit of                                                               
$1,389/month, which is extraordinary on a nationwide spectrum.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL   said  opportunities   to  scale   would  decrease                                                               
fragmentation in health care delivery,  provide an opportunity to                                                               
save   costs,  and   eliminate  the   somewhat  counterproductive                                                               
equation where  one plan offers  a certain type of  coverage that                                                               
another  doesn't.  For  example,   the  ASEA  Health  Trust  Plan                                                               
provides $5,000 worth  of hearing aid coverage  over three years,                                                               
whereas the  AlaskaCare Plan provides  $800 worth of  hearing aid                                                               
coverage over a three year period.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
By comparison,  the State  of Texas has  a statute  that requires                                                               
that everyone  have access  to the same  health plan.  That means                                                               
that  the president  of a  state  university has  the exact  same                                                               
access to  a health care plan  as a janitor in  a state hospital.                                                               
He  suggested that  it's an  interesting policy  question whether                                                               
access to health  care should be a product  of relative advantage                                                               
at  the bargaining  table  or a  matter of  equal  access to  all                                                               
public employees. He  expressed concern that in  Alaska access to                                                               
health  care  is  in  some  respects  a  function  of  bargaining                                                               
leverage.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:29:43 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. BARNHILL reviewed the things  the State of Alaska is watching                                                               
regarding the delivery of health care.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   · Onsite clinics. The State of Montana and HCCMCA are                                                                        
     exploring this option.                                                                                                     
   · Centers of Excellence. This is a product of the volume for                                                                 
     discount medical equation with a quality component built                                                                   
     in.                                                                                                                        
   · Narrow networks. This is difficult to achieve in Alaska                                                                    
     because of the relatively few providers.                                                                                   
   · Reference pricing. This is also known as B schedule pricing                                                                
     and is  similar to what  Medicaid and Medicare does.  It's a                                                               
     way of doing  cost management. He noted  that the California                                                               
     public  employee system  is exploring  this cost  management                                                               
     tool.                                                                                                                      
   · Private exchanges. Insurance carriers and actuarial firms                                                                  
     are developing private exchanges and encouraging private                                                                   
     firms and corporations to outsource all health care                                                                        
     administration to  them as a  third party  entity. Walgreens                                                               
     and IBM have recently done  this, and these will probably be                                                               
     very  popular in  the future.  Whether they  will come  into                                                               
     public places is unclear.                                                                                                  
   · Consumerism and transparency tools. There are a variety of                                                                 
     tools on the market for increasing price transparency for                                                                  
     members so that they're informed consumers.                                                                                
   · Impact of public plans on health care market. The state is                                                                 
     spending a great deal of time on this with the important                                                                   
     goal of delivering high quality health care to all                                                                         
     employees at a reasonable and sustainable cost.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:34:33 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR GIESSEL commented that it's  frustrating to be discussing                                                               
how to pay  for health care when it's the  lifestyle choices that                                                               
people  have  made that  account  for  more  than 70  percent  of                                                               
chronic disease problems. It's also  frustrating that since about                                                               
2009 there  has been a  Health Care Commission whose  main charge                                                               
is to  come up  with a health  care plan for  the state  and they                                                               
don't  seem to  be  making  any headway.  She  said  it would  be                                                               
interesting to  hear what  the Health  Care Commission  is doing,                                                               
but she didn't  know if there was a solution  to the disparity of                                                               
costs  between  the  Pacific Northwest  and  Alaska  because  the                                                               
Alaska market is small and has little competition.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL  agreed  that  solving  the  health  care  problems                                                               
probably  isn't feasible,  but it  is  feasible to  work on  them                                                               
responsibly. He highlighted  that the state has done  a number of                                                               
things in  the last few  years to address lifestyle  choices such                                                               
as the new wellness program  and preventive care. He acknowledged                                                               
that these may or may not pay off.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked if there  is an estimate of  potential savings                                                               
if all public employees are covered under the same plan.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL  said no,  but there would  certainly be  savings in                                                               
administration and the  volume discount savings are  a product of                                                               
negotiating ability.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked if  there are  examples nationally  of private                                                               
employers consolidating their unions to get volume discounts.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL  said he didn't  have that information,  but private                                                               
employers have indicated  they are going to  address rising costs                                                               
by going to  a private exchange, shifting the  cost to employees,                                                               
or stop providing health insurance  altogether. He noted that the                                                               
National Council of  State Legislatures (NCSL) has  a health care                                                               
webpage that  provides a description  of the public plans  in all                                                               
50 states.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:40:07 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY  commented  that  if it's  not  possible  to  get                                                               
control over the  root drivers of cost, the  only viable solution                                                               
is to  shift cost. He asked  where the resistance will  come from                                                               
this year  and next,  if the  state goes  through the  process of                                                               
shifting costs.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL replied everyone that has  a share in the payment of                                                               
medical  costs has  an interest  in  this. He  clarified that  he                                                               
isn't suggesting  that cost  shifting is  the sole  solution, but                                                               
the state is  going to explore some modest cost  shifting as well                                                               
as cost controls. State and  local governments in Alaska pay more                                                               
than  30  percent  of  health  care.  That's  almost  double  the                                                               
national average and  it's not sustainable. He  concluded that as                                                               
employees are given  more skin in the game they're  going to help                                                               
control prices, and that's a good dynamic.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON thanked  Mr. Barnhill  for the  valuable, clear  and                                                               
concise presentation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:45:25 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR DYSON called an at-ease.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^Universal Space Standards                                                                                                      
                   Universal Space Standards                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON reconvened the meeting and welcomed Mr. Thayer.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:53:29 AM                                                                                                                   
CURTIS THAYER, Deputy  Commissioner, Department of Administration                                                               
(DOA), stated  that the presentation  will cover the  work that's                                                               
been done  over the last  10 months to implement  universal space                                                               
standards  (USS)  in  executive  branch  offices.  Following  the                                                               
presentation there  will be a  tour of renovations in  the Robert                                                               
B. Atwood Building.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER explained that DOA  manages 17 buildings in the Public                                                               
Building Fund  (PBF). This  is about 1.6  million square  feet of                                                               
office space  with an annual  cost to the state  of approximately                                                               
$21 million.  The DOA  also administers 255  leases with  about 4                                                               
million square  feet of office  space and  an annual cost  of $50                                                               
million. Combined  this is  about $70  million annually,  and the                                                               
state decided to look for cost savings.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER   reviewed  the  real  estate   portfolio  under  the                                                               
Department of Administration, Division  of General Services (DGS)                                                               
management. He highlighted that  the Linny Pacillo Parking Garage                                                               
and  Office  with  369,000  square feet,  the  Robert  B.  Atwood                                                               
Building with  338,000 square feet,  the State Office  Building &                                                               
Parking Structure  in Juneau  with 287,850  square feet,  and the                                                               
Geological  Materials Center  Building with  100,908 square  feet                                                               
are the four largest buildings in the portfolio.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  said the  cost of  lease space  has been  driving the                                                               
conversation  in  recent  times.  In FY01  DOA  managed  about  1                                                               
million square feet  of office lease with a total  annual cost of                                                               
$21 million.  In FY13 the total  square footage had grown  to 1.4                                                               
million,  but the  total annual  lease cost  is almost  double at                                                               
$36.7 million.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  compared the cost  per square foot for  private lease                                                               
versus state lease.  In Juneau, the most  expensive private lease                                                               
is $2.86 per  square foot versus the state  office building which                                                               
is  $2.06  per square  foot.  In  Anchorage, the  most  expensive                                                               
private lease  is $3.75  per square foot  versus the  state owned                                                               
Atwood Building  that costs $1.56  per square foot. In  Nome, the                                                               
most expensive private lease is  $3.00 per square foot versus the                                                               
Nome State Office Building which  costs $2.50 per square foot. In                                                               
Fairbanks, the most  expensive private lease is  $2.63 per square                                                               
foot versus the state lease which is $2.39 per square foot.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He  said  the state  government  is  too  large to  collapse  the                                                               
private  leases   into  the  state   owned  buildings,   but  the                                                               
comparison  does give  perspective  for securing  new leases  and                                                               
additions to leases  in the private market. He noted  that in the                                                               
past  agencies have  asked for  additional space,  and there  has                                                               
never been a rationale applied to  determine need or what how the                                                               
space will  be used.  He said the  10-month review  has uncovered                                                               
things that required corrective action.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:59:07 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR DYSON  asked if there  are bargains in the  private sector,                                                               
because there's a  perception that there is a surplus  of class A                                                               
office space available.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  acknowledged that  there are  bargains, but  most new                                                               
state leases  are for 20  years. State leases are  very lucrative                                                               
and landlords generally work to maintain the relationship.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  reviewed the advantages  of the new  space standards.                                                               
He  said that  lease  cost savings  usually  result in  operating                                                               
budget  savings. There  is enhanced  collaboration between  teams                                                               
and better  access to  natural light.  The new  standards provide                                                               
equitable treatment of space, including  the reduction of private                                                               
offices,  and  the new  open  concept  improves air  quality  and                                                               
ventilation  and  more  balanced  heating  and  cooling.  Private                                                               
conversation  spaces   and  functional  break  rooms   have  been                                                               
increased.  Finally, the  new system  furniture is  ergonomically                                                               
correct to enhance employee health and fitness.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:02:49 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  GIESSEL  asked  how  private  conversations  of  a  very                                                               
sensitive nature will be accommodated.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER explained that part of  the analysis is a meeting with                                                               
the commissioner's office to find  out about special needs within                                                               
the department, because it's not  a "one size fits all" approach.                                                               
For  example, there  are  no plans  currently  to have  universal                                                               
space standards for the Department of Public Safety.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  discussed the measures  DOA has taken  to communicate                                                               
with stakeholders. In 2011 the  state hired the architectural and                                                               
interior design firm ECI/Hyer to  look at space standards, and in                                                               
2012 the  Governor's Office  issued a policy  to agencies  on new                                                               
universal space  standards. DOA developed  an outreach  to agency                                                               
leadership,   administrative   services  directors,   procurement                                                               
staff, and employees  on the new standards. There  have been site                                                               
visits with  agency leadership  and staff  at the  Douglas Island                                                               
building, the  Nome State Office  Building, The  Atwood Building,                                                               
the  State Library,  Archives and  Museum (SLAM),  and the  State                                                               
Office  Building  in  Juneau.  There   have  been  workshops  for                                                               
procurement and facilities staff,  and tours of redesigned spaces                                                               
that are open to anybody in state government.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:08:16 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR DYSON  asked if representatives  from the  bargaining units                                                               
are included in the process.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER answered yes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER reviewed  some of  the  questions that  have come  up                                                               
about the new space standards.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   · Noise and privacy. There is a learning curve for all                                                                       
     employees, but employees are encouraged to communicate                                                                     
     respectfully, use private booths for personal phone calls,                                                                 
     and use headphones when needed.                                                                                            
   · Confidential information. The clean desk policy envisions                                                                  
     that  employees lock  up all  confidential information  when                                                               
     they're  not  at their  desk  and  log off  their  computer.                                                               
     Additionally, agencies  group people  according to  the work                                                               
     they do.                                                                                                                   
   · Configuring the workstation. There are several options for                                                                 
     agencies to pick from. The option to personalize the                                                                       
     workstation is up to the department.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON  suggested he  conserve  time  by hitting  the  high                                                               
points and answering questions.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:12:26 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  THAYER stated  that  DOA  looked at  six  ways  to fund  the                                                               
project: departmental  operating funds; cost  amortization within                                                               
the monthly lease  payment; savings realized in  the reduction of                                                               
leased space;  state line of credit  at 3 percent over  a 10 year                                                               
term;  major building  renovation  capital  funding; and  federal                                                               
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  explained  that  the  potential  impact  of  USS  is                                                               
reviewed through  a rigorous analysis  and managed on  a case-by-                                                               
case  basis.  DOA  works  with  affected  agencies  on  a  fiscal                                                               
analysis that  looks for a return  on the investment in  10 years                                                               
or 20 years. The analysis includes  looking at the mission of the                                                               
agency,  public  interface,  needs   of  the  employees,  parking                                                               
capacity, and current  lease terms. If there is no  return on the                                                               
investment, status  quo is  maintained or  partial implementation                                                               
is considered.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He provided an example where  DOA/DGS estimates a 10 year overall                                                               
savings  of $50  million within  10 years  and projected  20 year                                                               
savings  in excess  of $156  million with  the implementation  of                                                               
USS. Cost savings will come  from more efficient heating, cooling                                                               
and ventilation  and reductions in personal  appliances. He noted                                                               
a survey of  the Atwood Building showed  almost 200 refrigerators                                                               
not  in break  rooms, 67  microwaves,  3 toasters,  and 2  George                                                               
Foreman Grills plugged in at personal workstations.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  reviewed  current   implementations  at  the  Atwood                                                               
Building.   The  4th   floor   started  and   finished  with   97                                                               
workstations, but  the two private  offices were  removed. Before                                                               
the remodel  there were  75 personal  appliances and  after there                                                               
are  8 appliances  in  the  café. The  employees  have access  to                                                               
natural light and a fully  equipped café. The project fund source                                                               
was primarily federal.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON said  he assumes  that all  commissioners are  being                                                               
moved to interior offices.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER replied there are exceptions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON questioned the federal funding.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER explained  that this was the Office  of Child Services                                                               
and they applied for and received  a federal grant to pay for the                                                               
remodel.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked the total cost of the 4th floor remodel.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER answered  that the average cost of a  cubicle is about                                                               
$5,500, so the total is about  $300,000. He noted that before USS                                                               
was adopted, the state spent up to $14,000 per cubicle.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He displayed before and after photos  of the Atwood 4th floor and                                                               
reviewed the remodel  of the 18th floor.  Workstations from three                                                               
floors  and a  private  lease were  consolidated  to this  floor.                                                               
There were 23  workstations and 19 private offices  before and 43                                                               
workstations and 8  private offices after. The new  space has two                                                               
conference  rooms,  one file  room,  centralized  mail room,  and                                                               
employee  telephone  booths.  All  37  personal  appliances  were                                                               
removed. The  project funding source  was primarily  agency funds                                                               
and they're saving $67,000 per year.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The 7th  floor of the  State Office  Building in Juneau  was also                                                               
remodeled. They eliminated 4 of  the 5 private offices, increased                                                               
the size of the conference  room, made natural light available to                                                               
all 31  staff members,  and made the  customer service  area more                                                               
inviting.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:21:38 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  THAYER  said  plans  for implementation  in  the  near  term                                                               
include the Atwood Building, Douglas  Island Building, Nome State                                                               
Office Building, State Library, Archives  and Museum, and the 8th                                                               
floor  of  the  State  Office   Building  in  Juneau.  Plans  for                                                               
implementation over  the long term include  other Public Building                                                               
Fund  buildings, state-owned  office  buildings, facilities  with                                                               
expiring  leases,  building  remodels,   and  agency  needs.  The                                                               
general  timeline  for USS  implementation  is  in excess  of  10                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER explained that there would  not be a tour of the Linny                                                               
Pacillo Parking Garage today because  the floor was being poured.                                                               
The cost  to build  out this  15,000 square  foot space  is about                                                               
$290,000 as opposed to more  than $600,000 in the private sector.                                                               
The  Permanent  Fund  Dividend   Corporation  and  Child  Support                                                               
Services  will occupy  the  space, and  the  Department of  Motor                                                               
Vehicles is  next door. The  public will be  able to park  in the                                                               
garage and do  business with three state agencies,  which will be                                                               
very convenient.  Employee training spaces that  are currently at                                                               
Ship Creek  will be moved to  the space that the  PFD Corporation                                                               
and CSS vacate in the Atwood Building.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER discussed  the  scheduled update  to  the Nome  State                                                               
Office Building. Construction is  scheduled to start January 2014                                                               
and  should be  complete in  April  2015. The  project budget  is                                                               
$11.6 million,  and it  is fully funded  by the  legislature. The                                                               
remodel will add two new agencies  to the building for a total of                                                               
eight, a café, two conference  rooms, and an ADA public restroom.                                                               
He  noted  that  due  to  the  preference  of  a  member  of  the                                                               
legislature, the building will be green in color.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:26:47 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. THAYER reported  that the legislature fully  funded the $18.2                                                               
million Douglas  Island Building update. Construction  will start                                                               
in April 2014 and is expected  to be complete in August 2015. Two                                                               
agencies occupied the  building before and the  remodel will make                                                               
room for a  third agency. New amenities include  two cafes, three                                                               
larger conference rooms and increased parking.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER explained that the  state purchased the 101,000 square                                                               
foot Sam's Club building in July  2013 and it will become the new                                                               
Geologic  Materials  Center.  The legislature  fully  funded  the                                                               
$24.5  million project,  construction will  start next  month and                                                               
occupancy is projected in July 2014.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  highlighted  that  the  "Space  Standards"  webpage,                                                               
www.doa.alaska.gov/dgs, is available for  employees and others to                                                               
review.  It  contains  the Space  Standards  Quick  Guide,  Space                                                               
Standards  Manual, Space  Standards  Analysis  Report, and  Space                                                               
Standards   Frequently   Asked   Questions.  He   concluded   the                                                               
presentation and gave directions for the tour.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:31:21 AM                                                                                                                   
There being  no further business  to come before  the committees,                                                               
the joint meeting  of the Senate State Affairs  Committee and the                                                               
Senate Labor and Commerce Committee adjourned at 11:31 a.m.                                                                     

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Agenda - Senate Labor State Affairs Joint Hearing - Oct 17 2013.pdf SSTA 10/17/2013 9:00:00 AM
Joint Senate State Affairs and Labor & Commerce Committee
SLC Oct 17 2013.pdf SSTA 10/17/2013 9:00:00 AM
Joint Senate State Affairs and Labor & Commerce Committee
DOA-USS_SenLaborCommerceStateAff(Oct17-2013) Updated 14Oct13.pdf SSTA 10/17/2013 9:00:00 AM
Joint Senate State Affairs and Labor & Commerce Committee